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标题: 【求助】高投量处方如何设计 [打印本页]

作者: ayanyang    时间: 2014-6-26 05:34     标题: 【求助】高投量处方如何设计

一项目做处方时需要多投原料以满足含量达到100%,多投的量应该加在处方里吗?例如



正常投料处方:原料100g,辅料100g,共2000片量



多投量



A::原料120g,辅料100g



B:原料120g,辅料80g



请问应当以A做还是以B做
作者: jkh123    时间: 2014-6-26 05:34

你这不是明显造假么?
作者: jom    时间: 2014-6-26 05:35

处方不能改动,必须是原料100,辅料100,但是可以从工艺中体现,原料按120%投料,要搞明白为什么按120%投料,要有研究的,个人见解,呵呵(以前做输液按110%投过)
作者: longquan    时间: 2014-6-26 05:35

我也想知道
作者: momom    时间: 2014-6-26 05:36

发现成品含量偏低不应该先找原因么?



固体制剂的话颗粒、混粉的含量均匀度是否合格?



液体制剂的话溶液稳定性好不好?



你所想到的办法总归是治标不治本的,以后放大、生产、注册怎么办?
作者: jom    时间: 2014-6-26 05:36

液体制剂,含量减少,因为投入量少,被活性炭吸附,故投料量增大,按照A投料。楼上说的很有道理,先找原因,能否从工艺上解决,如水解的话,就用乙醇等
作者: nsdm    时间: 2014-6-26 05:37

估计就没有学习过制剂课程,或者说,就没有在工厂车间里面干过,因此才这么晕乎。



如果经过车间锻炼,还这么糊涂,估计悟性太差劲。
作者: small2011    时间: 2014-6-26 05:38

这就是过量投料吧,应该是如实写的。



CTD培训的时候CDE的老师说,应从研究处方和工艺入手,尽量避免过量投料的情况出现。



如果不能避免,则需要研究清楚原因,在工艺验证的时候也需要明确相关步骤及影响。倒地怎么影响的,影响有多大,这个估计得研究的很全面,很透彻,CDE才会让你过关
作者: ayanyang    时间: 2014-6-26 05:38

告诉各位吧,我也没想多投,可上市品多投了啊,是选A还是选B 啊
作者: tomm    时间: 2014-6-26 05:39     标题: 回复 #7 nsdm 的帖子

这个斑竹,说话这么损。注射液,活性炭吸附主药的,多投料是很正常的现象啊。有什么可奇怪的。
作者: nsdm    时间: 2014-6-26 05:40     标题: 回复 #10 tomm 的帖子

建议你看看ICH Q8和ICH Q11。



园内都有中文版。



再看看中国药典凡例;



对了,ICH Q8Q9Q10的问答文件也看看。



在论坛搜搜我的帖子,思考一下,问题不就解决了吗?



说话不刺激你一下,你怎么进步?



告诉你这么多,你应该说-谢谢。
作者: tomm    时间: 2014-6-26 05:42     标题: 回复 #11 nsdm 的帖子

拜托,你看清楚,我不是提问题的那个人。好心不应该是你说话直接的理由。毕竟你是斑竹,是一个管理者
作者: nsdm    时间: 2014-6-26 05:43     标题: 回复 #12 tomm 的帖子

我看得很清楚,你不是提问的那个人,但是你是引用我帖子并质疑的人,因此才回复你了。



一句话就受不了?



就这样,还寻求进步,可能吗?
作者: 大学习    时间: 2014-6-26 05:44

As a general rule, the use of overages of active substances in formulations is discouraged unless their use can be justified completely. The routine inclusion of overages by manufacturers of certain products without adequate justification is unlikely to be permitted. Similarly, the use of overages should not be an excuse for poor manufacturing, formulation, or analytical procedures. Where loss takes place during manufacture of the product, then the replacement might well be justified as a “manufacturing overage” because the amount present within the dose form at the time of release is likely to remain within the approved specification. However, large (for example 10%) overages used to compensate for poor product stability, in general, are not considered to be acceptable.

The presence in excess of inactive constituents in a formulation should also be explained and justified.
作者: 大学习    时间: 2014-6-26 05:44

用关键词“Overages author:zhulikou431 ”搜索得:

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作者: 大学习    时间: 2014-6-26 05:44

DRUG PRODUCT —EXCIPIENTS

Manufacturers may want to use an overage of an excipient in the manufactured product. There is a general antipathy toward this practice and any overages will need to be justified. The approach will depend on whether the overage is proposed based on losses during manufacture or the need to meet a requirement for the level of the excipient during the shelf life. Large overages—usually taken as those in excess of 10%—are unlikely to be allowed. This is because such large overages could present unacceptable hazards to users. It would be better to reformulate the product if such large overages are needed. Other overages will need to be justified in terms of the technical need for the overage and the potential for adverse events arising from their presence or the presence of the degradation products arising from them.


Manufacturing Overage

If the statistical analysis of stability data for different batches is carried out, there is a consistenttrend for the intercept of the assay of the drug product being below 100%; this may indicateinstability during the manufacturing stages and during the initial storage before the releaseassay. For products with marginal stability (i.e., with a calculated shelf life of 18 months orless), it may be worthwhile considering adding a manufacturing overage. This would need tobe justified in the stability report. Where the data on individual batches, packaging, strengths,etc., can be pooled to give a common estimate of the intercept; this can be used to calculate theoverage.The manufacturing overage can be calculated as follows:

Manufacturing Overage = [(100 × 100)/Intercept% Assay] - 100
作者: ayanyang    时间: 2014-6-26 05:45

上市品亦是如此我有啥办法呢
作者: 但是    时间: 2014-6-26 05:46

关于过量投料overage的问题,大家讨论的比较多了,我这里举一个实例,请大家讨论一下,特别是llb1978、zhoulikou431、luckiss几位版主。



过量投料的原因一般有二



第一、制剂不稳定,在货架期生命周期中主药有降解,为了弥补该损失,过量投料



第二、工艺中的损失,这个大家有提到,但是讨论的很少。



研发实例:



某注射液,采用活性炭吸附去除细菌内毒素,活性炭用量0.1%(w/v),主药大约吸附5%。辅料2种,一种是氯化钠。由于静脉推注给药,需要控制摩尔渗透压。



经过处方解析,处方如下:主药5mg/ml,辅料一 3mg/ml,氯化钠7mg/ml。摩尔渗透压 290 mOsmol/kg



研发时采用的工艺大抵有两种



工艺一、按照100%投料,浓配时加水量为设计批生产量的80%,经过活性炭吸附脱碳步骤,加注射用水按标示量100%定容,结果最终定容体积比设计的批生产量体积少8%左右。全检合格,但是带来一个问题,就是辅料的含量变相升高,导致摩尔渗透压升高,达到305 mOsmol/kg。



工艺二、按照105%主药投料,辅料按100%投料,浓配时加水量为设计批生产量的80%,经过活性炭吸附脱碳步骤,加注射用水按标示量100%定容,结果最终定容体积和设计批生产量一致,摩尔渗透压289 mOsmol/kg。



那么问题一、如果采用工艺一,有一个质量的变化,如何和小试还有标准处方衔接,CTD资料怎么写?如果要控制其中一个辅料的量,怎么办?如果要渗透压降下来,根据含量应为标示含量的90-110%范围,含量在95%时可以。



问题二、采用工艺二,有过量投料问题,但是质量方面能和小试很好的衔接,CTD怎么写呢?



麻烦大家参照具体实例来,针对实际问题,解决实际问题。谢谢。
作者: ayanyang    时间: 2014-6-26 05:46

这帖子又被顶上来了,那就再接着来,我的问题是选A还是选B还没人回答呢,假设非得多投料




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